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ndboarder    210
Imports> them ;-)

You spend as much money on an import as you want. I'll put half of that (or less) into a muscle car which will weigh twice what your import does at least.... You'll lose

There is no replacement for displacement.

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nodle    681

Im sorry but a street legal American car can't come close to the horsepower a street legal import makes.

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More to come later :twisted:

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tyler785    0
Im sorry but a street legal American car can't come close to the horsepower a street legal import makes.

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More to come later :twisted:

This maybe true, I'm not sure and haven't done any research to lean one way or another but I do know one thing for sure. I would rather have the sound of american muscle then a ricer that sounds like a crop duster trying to take off.... and with some of those spoilers i see, it just may be possible!

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ndboarder    210
Im sorry but a street legal American car can't come close to the horsepower a street legal import makes.

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More to come later :twisted:

I'll tell you what, bring any import you want (- NOS then you have to give me a head up) and take it against the GTO on my site... we'll see who wins (HP only gets you so far by the way)

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nodle    681

I just don't know how american cars can compete nowadays. I mean no matter what "big block" engine you through in them. Most of the imports you can buy stock, add some turbos, change the engine up and be over 1000+ horsepower, but still look stock. Please you then also have the "lightness" of the vehicle to take into consideration. I have even seen these "modified" cars go up against vipers (American) and give them a run for their money, with way less cost. But one thing I agree with you. It doesn't matter how fast your car is,if you don't know how to drive.

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nodle    681

American muscle has been reduced to a 17 mile per gallon 16 valve V8 that only produces around 275 horsepower and is outrun by import family sedans that have far less than 4 liter V6's with 24 valves. They get 50% better mileage too.

These common import V6's are weaker at peak but have far superior horsepower across the tachometer rather than one tiny peak because of innovations like variable valve timing.

In addition, the trannys in imports have much better use of the power.

Imports have far superior balance, traction, stability, and overall handling. American "muscle" has straight axles rather than independant suspensions, nose-heavy, non balanced weight distributions, electronic brake distribution only available on absolute top models, and looks-over-performance design.

And reliability of american muscle as compared to imports... I won't even bother with that one...

Yes, a bit pricy - but, you get what you pay for.

Gone are the days of enormous 5 to 7+ litre engines that have to be customized just to produce 300-350 horsepower. It can be done with 4-6 cylinder engines. And when an import offers more than 6 cylinders, it's a cold day in hell when a stock american muscle car can keep up.

If you wanna look good at a show burning rubber, get the muscle car. If you wanna perform, go for Japanese.

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Davidc    138

There's more to the equation than just Horsepower. There's also torque to consider. Those rice burners are peaky. Gotta keep em revved to get anything out of them.

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Davidc    138

Are we talking street legal cars at the drag strip? If you've scoped out NHRA sponsered events, you'll notice that not too many rice burners are down in the 7 and 8's for ET's.

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nodle    681
Are we talking street legal cars at the drag strip? If you've scoped out NHRA sponsered events' date=' you'll notice that not too many rice burners are down in the 7 and 8's for ET's.[/quote']

Street legal. I agree with the American cars owning the drag strips.

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ndboarder    210
Gone are the days of enormous 5 to 7+ litre engines that have to be customized just to produce 300-350 horsepower...

Imports have far superior balance' date=' traction, stability, and overall handling

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umm.... most muscle cars with an engine in that range had more than 300-350 horspower stock, before any mods...

True that ricers get better gas mileage, and they have "far superior balance, traction, stability, and overall handling." This is all technological changes so of course they might handle nicer, or ride smoother, and make more efficient use of gas (not to mention they are little 4 banger engines) I don't buy the traction however, an american muscle will have far better traction if set up properly.

As far as reliability, muscle cars that are in working order are just as reliable, but lets see how a ricer is running 30+ years after it comes off the assembly line???

Which is better is a debate that in my experience doesn't end, if you like ricers you like ricers, if you like muscle you like muscle. The one thing I'll say for sure is that American Muscle is kept alive, restored and shown because they are classics, no one in their right mind will ever keep around their 2000ish import car or try to find one to restore... unless it has some extreme sentimental value

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