jmanz 148 Report post Posted May 23, 2006 Some nice muscle cars in this one.....I know davec will appreciate this.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3-cwmRR-Lc&search=camaro%20vids Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nodle 681 Report post Posted May 23, 2006 Imports> them ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmanz 148 Report post Posted May 23, 2006 Imports> them ;-)lol, I think you've just started a good debate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davidc 138 Report post Posted May 23, 2006 Ya that was excellent. Makes a feller want to get to the drag races. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ndboarder 210 Report post Posted May 23, 2006 Imports> them ;-)You spend as much money on an import as you want. I'll put half of that (or less) into a muscle car which will weigh twice what your import does at least.... You'll loseThere is no replacement for displacement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmanz 148 Report post Posted May 23, 2006 down with the rice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tyler785 0 Report post Posted May 24, 2006 American muscle all the way baby! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nodle 681 Report post Posted May 25, 2006 Im sorry but a street legal American car can't come close to the horsepower a street legal import makes.LINKMore to come later :twisted: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tyler785 0 Report post Posted May 25, 2006 Im sorry but a street legal American car can't come close to the horsepower a street legal import makes.LINKMore to come later :twisted:This maybe true, I'm not sure and haven't done any research to lean one way or another but I do know one thing for sure. I would rather have the sound of american muscle then a ricer that sounds like a crop duster trying to take off.... and with some of those spoilers i see, it just may be possible! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nodle 681 Report post Posted May 25, 2006 What? You don't like my new wing? ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmanz 148 Report post Posted May 25, 2006 lol @ the ironing board Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nodle 681 Report post Posted May 25, 2006 lol @ the ironing boardThats about 30hp+ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ndboarder 210 Report post Posted May 25, 2006 Im sorry but a street legal American car can't come close to the horsepower a street legal import makes.LINKMore to come later :twisted:I'll tell you what, bring any import you want (- NOS then you have to give me a head up) and take it against the GTO on my site... we'll see who wins (HP only gets you so far by the way) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ndboarder 210 Report post Posted May 25, 2006 EDIT: Removed my message here after further consideration, main point was buy American made products Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ndboarder 210 Report post Posted May 25, 2006 one more thing before i take my sorry behind to bed, but I've seen a street legal '57 chevy take an ricer with NOS by over a car length Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nodle 681 Report post Posted May 25, 2006 I just don't know how american cars can compete nowadays. I mean no matter what "big block" engine you through in them. Most of the imports you can buy stock, add some turbos, change the engine up and be over 1000+ horsepower, but still look stock. Please you then also have the "lightness" of the vehicle to take into consideration. I have even seen these "modified" cars go up against vipers (American) and give them a run for their money, with way less cost. But one thing I agree with you. It doesn't matter how fast your car is,if you don't know how to drive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tyler785 0 Report post Posted May 25, 2006 Take a NA import against a NA american big block and see who wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nodle 681 Report post Posted May 25, 2006 American muscle has been reduced to a 17 mile per gallon 16 valve V8 that only produces around 275 horsepower and is outrun by import family sedans that have far less than 4 liter V6's with 24 valves. They get 50% better mileage too.These common import V6's are weaker at peak but have far superior horsepower across the tachometer rather than one tiny peak because of innovations like variable valve timing.In addition, the trannys in imports have much better use of the power.Imports have far superior balance, traction, stability, and overall handling. American "muscle" has straight axles rather than independant suspensions, nose-heavy, non balanced weight distributions, electronic brake distribution only available on absolute top models, and looks-over-performance design.And reliability of american muscle as compared to imports... I won't even bother with that one...Yes, a bit pricy - but, you get what you pay for.Gone are the days of enormous 5 to 7+ litre engines that have to be customized just to produce 300-350 horsepower. It can be done with 4-6 cylinder engines. And when an import offers more than 6 cylinders, it's a cold day in hell when a stock american muscle car can keep up.If you wanna look good at a show burning rubber, get the muscle car. If you wanna perform, go for Japanese. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davidc 138 Report post Posted May 25, 2006 There's more to the equation than just Horsepower. There's also torque to consider. Those rice burners are peaky. Gotta keep em revved to get anything out of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davidc 138 Report post Posted May 25, 2006 Are we talking street legal cars at the drag strip? If you've scoped out NHRA sponsered events, you'll notice that not too many rice burners are down in the 7 and 8's for ET's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nodle 681 Report post Posted May 25, 2006 Are we talking street legal cars at the drag strip? If you've scoped out NHRA sponsered events' date=' you'll notice that not too many rice burners are down in the 7 and 8's for ET's.[/quote']Street legal. I agree with the American cars owning the drag strips. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ndboarder 210 Report post Posted May 25, 2006 Gone are the days of enormous 5 to 7+ litre engines that have to be customized just to produce 300-350 horsepower...Imports have far superior balance' date=' traction, stability, and overall handling[/quote']umm.... most muscle cars with an engine in that range had more than 300-350 horspower stock, before any mods...True that ricers get better gas mileage, and they have "far superior balance, traction, stability, and overall handling." This is all technological changes so of course they might handle nicer, or ride smoother, and make more efficient use of gas (not to mention they are little 4 banger engines) I don't buy the traction however, an american muscle will have far better traction if set up properly. As far as reliability, muscle cars that are in working order are just as reliable, but lets see how a ricer is running 30+ years after it comes off the assembly line??? Which is better is a debate that in my experience doesn't end, if you like ricers you like ricers, if you like muscle you like muscle. The one thing I'll say for sure is that American Muscle is kept alive, restored and shown because they are classics, no one in their right mind will ever keep around their 2000ish import car or try to find one to restore... unless it has some extreme sentimental value Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmanz 148 Report post Posted June 1, 2006 funny vid for anti rice peeps....http://www.youtube.com/w/The-Fast-And-The-Furious-Cars?v=7w980IlWP0k&search=fast+and+furious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davidc 138 Report post Posted June 1, 2006 funny vid for anti rice peeps....http://www.youtube.com/w/The-Fast-And-The-Furious-Cars?v=7w980IlWP0k&search=fast+and+furiousThat's awesome. Loved it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmanz 148 Report post Posted June 1, 2006 I forgot to mention its a standup comic rather than an actual car vid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
