Time travel breeches the first law of thermodynamics

Davidc

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  Many people have cited various reasons why time travel is or is not possible, how ever they seem to have missed one important point. The first law of thermodynamics states that matter can neither be created or destroyed. This means, then, that at any one moment the amount of matter in the universe is exactly the same. Time travel, how ever, would change that. Suppose one were to make a "Time machine", and place in it, as an example, some cash. Now, this person could send the machine, with the money backwards in time to her or him self, who was waiting for it in the past, having previously planned this enterprise. Then, he or she would earn the money as before in what was, to the past, the future, but to the present the past, and find her or him self with two lots of money; one from the future, and one from the past. If she kept doing this, and waited long enough before filling the time machine with money, he or she could accumiate vast quantities of money in the interim.

  At a point between the time to which one would send any object, and the time from which one could send it, one might amass a theoretically infinite amount of objects. That would be impossible, especially if these objects contained energy (such as a battery). This would mean that an infinite amount of energy could be created "free", and this, as all good scientists know, is impossible.
 

nodle

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Hmmm nice work sir. I have thought about what you said many times before. I will add my input. I agree with you but this time I will replace money with myself. Say that at this moment I have a time machine, now I am getting old in my age so I say to myself " I will go back in time and give myself the time machine so I can have it earlier." Now that means that I would attain it instantly. But wait that would mean that there are more of myself in time. For example if I went back and time and gave the time machine to myself then the me that went back in time would not exist because the past me would have the time machine before the present me. Therefore the present me would have no need to exist. Would the pattern just keep repeating in a loop? Again thats to say if the present me wouldn't be so selfish. After all if you just invented a time machine wouldn't you want to use it? Yes you could go back in time to give it to yourself so that you could have it the whole time, but at what risk? To only disappear yourself (the present you). So then again maybe the future me does have a time machine but it to selfish to go back in time to give it to the present me, or even the past me. Therefore right there, there are 3 of me or you could say maybe "three dimensions" of myself? Maybe more? Basically like holding a mirror in front of another mirror and splitting the reflection more than once. So maybe it is possible to have "free" energy but the future us are just selfish and want it all for themselves. There are rules that would be broken. Rules that are set in place that would have dire consequences if broken. Could you imagine going back in time and running into yourself? Basically just the sight of the past you seeing the future you would have an impact to destroy the future you causing the past you the change the whole course of the future. Again though does this ruin the idea of free will? Because that means that you have been on course all this time to get to the future ie: fate. I guess it would be the same as going back in time and saying "hello" to someone that would change their thought pattern that would cause a ripple effect which would then change the future? Does this prove that everything is fate then? Maybe that is what deja vu is. A thought pattern that momentarily strays off path, to make you think "I have been here/done this before." I believe time travel is possible, but at the same time maybe the person that knows that it is possible also knows the consequences that come with it, and maybe going back in time to correct something, would in fact destroy something...
 

Mike

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I'm not well versed in the theories of the creation of the Earth, but doesn't the big bang theory state that our universe just kind of "became" a singularity, then exploded.  Isn't that creation of matter in some way?  To me, if science can propose that the universe just kind of showed up out of nowhere (which I know too little to disagree with), then isnt something that seems as far fetched as time travel just as possible?  I believe its just a limitation of knowledge about our universe, especially by those who had a hand in discovering the laws of thermodynamics in the first place. 
 

Ludacris

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Mr. C is wise.  If he says that time travel is not possible, then it is most deffinetly is not possible.  I would also like to use the first law of thermodynamics to support my belief in God.  Engery can not be created or destroyed; yet it exists.  Even if the big bang did happen, the energy and elements required for it were most deffinetly created by God.  This brings me to the third law of thermodynamics, at some point in time, all energy comes to an equallibrium (for example, ice water will eventual equilize to room temp).  At the point of the big bang, (if there was such a bang), all energy would of been on the extreme side of the equalibrium-the potential energy side-  In theory, if energy as a whole did even out throughout the universe, and energy was equal in all aspects as the third law of thermodynamics predicts as inevidable, then at this point of the equalibrium perhaps time travel could be possible to a from other periods of time within the same equality???
 
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Ludacris

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Also, perhaps time travel would be more likely within a different form of energy that we know of.  There is an abundent source of untaped energy in a thing called ether energy.  Supposibly, this ether energy renewals it's self through the constant influx of the universe..., anyways, it's worth looking at.  http://educate-yourself.org/fe/radiantenergystory.shtml  it was discovered by Tesla many moons ago.
 

Davidc

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Also, perhaps time travel would be more likely within a different form of energy that we know of.  There is an abundent source of untaped energy in a thing called ether energy.  Supposibly, this ether energy renewals it's self through the constant influx of the universe..., anyways, it's worth looking at.  http://educate-yourself.org/fe/radiantenergystory.shtml   it was discovered by Tesla many moons ago.
You're a good man sir. That's for bringing this to our attention.
 

nodle

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Also, perhaps time travel would be more likely within a different form of energy that we know of.  There is an abundent source of untaped energy in a thing called ether energy.  Supposibly, this ether energy renewals it's self through the constant influx of the universe..., anyways, it's worth looking at.  http://educate-yourself.org/fe/radiantenergystory.shtml  it was discovered by Tesla many moons ago.
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